It cant fix the heart of the problem, or the culture, or the systems. My former church blew off a similar incident and the pedophile went on to molest. Our summer camp staff includes over 1,800 dedicated, kid-loving, Christ-following, fun-producing college students. After all Sandy Willson had more pressing issues! She's like, 'Right, Keith? IT is truly mind boggling. . That is one of the foundations of the faith, yes. You know what? OK, bye.' @ BeenThereDoneThat: They can do their jobs well, even though theyre getting paid by the business. When I first got divorced I considered joining Second Pres. News Flash: These guys obviously do not believe this. How can a group of Christians think that setting up a system where men expect women to kow-tow to their needs submissively is anything more than unwholesome???? He sold mini busts of himself at one convention back in the 90s(?). Stay with discernment from the Holy Spirit. The child/woman is always unimportant/prey. They have no problem suing on behalf of victims. The male buddy-system seems to be forged in such a way that tolerance for the presence of an abuser is much greater among these male-headship idolators. If an individual is at fault through malice, incompetence, etc, the individual should be held responsible. My wife came home early from church last week, apparently the sermon was quite graphic about appropriate sex between a man & a woman. Thats a verse Joel Olsteen uses repeatedly! Its what Las Vegas would be if Ned Flanders was running it.. The letter demands Kanakuk admit thatnumerous allegations of sex abuse by people linked to the camp are true. @ Christiane: I work in a Christian preschool and just sat through Ministry Safe ( required by the church) and a state mandated sexual abuse recognition workshop. And it sends a message. Throw out people who make truly negligent decisions on this, every time maybe? I am not surprised that anyone (especially those that lean towards giving the benefit of the doubt) would have downplayed the seriousness of what Pete had done. I mean, this kind of thing is intentionally guarded against in secular settings with children. One more thing about this, punitive only goes after the specific people at fault. I read their Bob Jones and ABWE reports. The camp responded with a prepared statement attributed to "Kanakuk Communications," which the News-Leader is reproducing here in full, noting however that victims and former camp employees have disputed the timeliness of Kanakuk's termination and reporting of Newman. These churches believe they are beyond reproach. one who is truly humble can draw thousands to Christ. Steve Taylor, I Manipulate. Much needed. Just, because. In fact, many here saw Criswell (his mentor) as a sort of backwoods demagogue. Been there, have the memories to prove it. I dont care if your a man or woman. He is victim prevention. He works to protect churches. Pete Newman's Apology. Its taken us time to process it and Im sure it will take us much more time to work through it. Its much easier to see this for what it is once you have known someone like this, once youve seen behind the mask. The newspaper also emailed Staples through a general inbox at First Baptist Church and tried to make contact with Staples though the church's Facebook inbox, as well as through an email account linked to Staples in a public records database, and through an email form on a listing of licensed professional counselors published by Psychology Today. I have already listed what bothered me the most about what he said on the clip but did not mention his emphasizing that his materials were written specifically for Christians (and not the secular stuff, he insisted) and ithey are written shepherd to sheep and sheep to sheep. I just told her that I would never send mine to any camp without their phone in this day and time.knowing what I know. Its at the point if you dont want your kid molested/raped, you have to become a Done. REFUGEE, We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. How did Berny Madoff get the trust of all of his investors, or other finical con artist? You will see Joe White CEO, Doug Goodwin President, and Kris Cooper former director state that they knew that Newman was getting naked with under age boys on multiple occasions as early as 1999, and also sleeping one on one with them. At least she cares. said in an interview on Tier Talk (for the corrections industry) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRtccELtlJw. However, many Christians tend to view anything secular through a culture war lens. Some people never have to confront it. Even without intentions, entropy easily sets in over time and they can drift into serious Cult territory. Dygert said, "We know people who've never told anyone. But also no, the idea that one would make independent decisions apart from something specific in scripture, that was pretty much a no no. (Id also have no problem suing a church into oblivion if their negligence caused my child harm.) There are very few things/people above criticism in my world. I dont know. "We're going to try to renew our vows and do something different because of it. Many years ago, one of my East Coast contacts gave me a book titled ANTI CHRIST, a historical trace of the idea of Antichrist. Most never know anything much ( they dont even demand to see detailed budget on how their own money is spent ) unless someone speaks up. Two or three times. Twodozen of them now regularly communicate by text message, Hoffpauir said. A prosecutor told the News-Leader at the time that Newman admitted to sexual activity with as many as 13 other minors. One reason I dont trust him is because he thinks its a sin to sue the body of Christ (which, in Scripture he is referencing, is people not a non profit status institution) when the scriptures clarify not suing for trivial matters. My daughter now preaches at an Evangelical Covenant church, the denomination this evil man belonged to. I am thinking that this is a text book case of misunderstanding all the way around. And I will say to them, be gone from Me I never knew you, workers of lawlessness. church must be a relational tension-free zone (to be legit). I guess it comes down to, what did Bryan Loritts know and when did he know it? http://www.nakedpastor.com/2015/07/dentists-lions-and-equal-opportunity/. The lawsuit accuses the former counselor of sexually abusing the boy in multiple locales: "Newmans home, the Kanakuk Tree Tops Ropes Course, the Kanakuk Bunk house, the Kanakuk K-Kountry Gym, and Kanakuks lake. My daughter did a several hour training module to work for the YMCA. that children, in their lives, will come in to contact with sex offenders (including those whove never been arrested, prosecuted, and convicted). Im not sure if he brings lawsuits on behalf of victims at this time. I will put My laws on their hearts and write them on their minds The use of the word sin in terms of this pedophile doesnt go far enough. She missed the news from October 2015 then Then law firms got in on the action. There are some decent people in church, and if we can teach them that is all to the good. How can you be a victim advocate and prevention for businesses (churches)? I guess the appropriate word to use here is grooming. They have built it up a lot more since then I understand. It is too hard, period. Charles L. Bailey Jr., In the Shadow of the Cross link. I am not surprised that anyone (especially those that lean towards giving the benefit of the doubt) would have downplayed the seriousness of what Pete had done. we have our phone bill which is 125 for both phones plus pays for internet( I paid a little extra last month) as well. No girls allowed. (my mom came back thinking that was as about as low class and crass as one could getunusual to hear such from her) It is all so much worse today, of course. Yes, lawsuits against churches/para church orgs have increased. Perhaps we could use that to make Sacred Cow Sundaes (Gram3s TM). I know that people have a lot of problems with the conservative resurgence, but from my standpoint the sbc style baptists had got into such a mess that something needed done. There are wolves in sheeps clothing. Like the Parasymp organs of the Heirarchy (a corrupt religious dictatorship) in Fritz Leibers Gather, Darkness! I think churches should be much quicker to fire staff who make reckless negligent decisions, like fellowship did though. It could be literally years before a judgment comes inif ever. When did the simple trusting in Our Lord become obsolete? Yes. Hi MUFF, He was fired and escorted off the premises that day. But then you cant play Me Sheep! Humbly serving? I dont think he is a victim advocate, though. Curious, and from the tone of your comment, it doesnt sound like the same thing as a closed table where only members of that particular church are welcome to take communion. After graduating from Auburn University, Pete was brought on full-time in 1999 and started the Kanakuk Father & Son Retreats. Those days are drawing to a close and they will soon experience their own Waterloo so to speak. I heard all sorts of stories from extended family with all our ties to SBTS back then. She writes a blog for survivors: https://kareforvictims.org/2014/03/13/an-open-letter-to-joe-white/. It is too hard, period.Charles L. Bailey Jr.,In the Shadow of the Cross link. That is what I call integrity. How dare they. Fellowship Memphis wouldnt have touched him with a ten-foot pole, much less hired him on staff. We have decided to redact his name for the sake of privacy. I dont even know that it wasnt dismissed. that is, if you are into following the Church year . I told him, Well, your 30-something pastors, they have a lot to learn, told him to pay attention to what people do, not what they say, and knowing a person well enough to talk them up takes a lot longer than a few months or years, it takes many years, maybe decades, seeing someone at their best and worst and having them see you at your worst and seeing how they take it, before you can pronounce someone genuine. There is a barbarian aspect to this. Thanks. Use rational common sense (and yes, God is the God of reason also). I have had some experience with this recently. Billy is set for school supplies. In 2010, one of the camp's senior counselors, Pete Newman, pleaded guilty to seven counts of sexually abusing boys. The Church will always be the Body of Christ. Because we have Jobs and Lives and have to pause sometime; the fanboy doesnt. But then I read an article in the (now defunct) Boston Phoenix in 2001, and it was about how the Catholic Church in Boston was using lawyers to basically destroy those who came forward with accounts of sexual abuse in the archdiocese. Craig Heidemann, attorney for the plaintiffs, dubbed John Doe XII and John Doe XIII in court filings, declined to comment on the lawsuits during a brief interviewMonday. They were outspoken, they were athletic, they were the people you wanted to be, the kids you couldnt be, at least, because I didnt have money growing up. Most lawyers are not in a position financially to do it. Also, Greg Love was interviewed on WFAAs broadcast about my former church. Because you are an important part of the Kanakuk family, we wanted to make you aware that earlier today, the Taney County Missouri prosecutor filed a four-count criminal complaint against our former employee, Pete Newman. So yes, in that sense people are taught bible, which is certainly training the conscience. I wasnt thinking independent, actually it could be aligned with the denomination of your choice, but just not one interested in becoming a major player or adopting the sell-your-soul-to-grow-your-church groupthink we so regularly discuss here. Please stay on this case. In court documents filed in February 2013, Kanakuk says it will present testimony from expert witnesses that will cast doubt on the severity of the harm John Doe suffered as a 12-year-old sexual abuse victim. (KY3) - A former Kanakuk Kamps counselor already convicted of sexually abusing young boys has been hit with another judgment in civil court, a case leading to $29.6 million for victims. Branson, Missouri. Spending money on a report is one way to stay in business. Kanakuks opposition statement also states that the plaintiff alleges Kanakuk and those two officers, White and Cooper, failed to safeguard him, however, there is nothing in these allegations that should subject White or Cooper to personal, individual liability. Explainers of scripture-an absolutely crucial position of authority in that sense. Pete was what a Christian should look like. Reporter Gregory Holman was born and raised in Branson, mostly living in Taney County until 2003. I pray frequently for Petes victims healing, and that Pete remains in jail while here on earth. The episcopal parish where I/we are now has a small sign at those doors which says that the sacrament is reserved in this parish and that people need to behave accordingly (words to that effect). If a bunch of boy and girl kampers had been caught skinny dipping together without adult supervision (dont know if boys and girls have separate sessions at that camp, or are there at the same time), I wonder if they would have been sent home in disgrace? This church is insane. September 2009: Newman is arrested & then released on $50,000 bond along with a court order not to be around children but he continues working at the church. I harbored no notions that it was safer because it was smaller and closer to homeshe was able to bunk with a friend and I was just ready to loosen my reins a little for her. So yes, in that sense people are taught bible, which is certainly training the conscience. After he served his 2 terms, he attended 4 or 5 of the churchs Easter and Christmas music programs. I find this response on the part of Kanakukreprehensible! Is there a shortage of lawyers who will sue on behalf of victims? We are committed to our vision that todays young adults are the Christian leaders of tomorrow, and we will continue to advocate for their safety as they grow in friendships, faith, and confidence. The difference is there is licensing involved and CPAs risk losing their license to practice. Velour wrote: If they cover up scandal to protect their damned reputations then they are false. Did he really believe that because its what hed been told by Joe White, or did he know more? They can do their jobs well, even though theyre getting paid by the business. Also, here is the little description: I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. This just breaks my heart. When groups play down their lack of protecting children and punishing those who harmed them, they are acknowledging their incapacity to care about protecting and defending the most vulnerable of society. How does anyone overlook this? It is so hard for people to understand how it works. Is this accurate? And including a former President. Its one of the things that bothers me about GRACE that I have mentioned before. In cases of abuse, the painful part would be consequences either legal, financial or in the form of firings or removal of people from jobs/office as elders. but just one of many reasons. so, from this Scripture, would this not flow logically: Deep within his conscience, The Calvinistas look to me like militant political pseudo-conservative evangelicals. But practically impossible. Maybe he was just thinking about it as he attended. In the meantime suffice it to say that Real means real and Presence means presence. I do know my brother literally cannot NOT manipulate. It read: The Lord is in his holy temple, let all the earth keep silent before Him. Do you think this one is simple good ole boy network/nepotism? And the bible does not have answers to every single question or conflict that comes ones way, obviously. So they took theirs and snuck into the bathroom at night and texted her about their day. :o). I would go one further and say that its a popular vacation site for christians and conservative folks who like tradition. I had to take my dogs for a walk I was so mad. Look for a saner, healthier, place. I suspect pastor was either bragging or indulging his sexual fantasies in a Respectable form. He wrote his phone number on my hand and said, 'Hey, let's hang out sometime.' The college said, ok. We dont want it. Colleges are often very bad in dealing with rape, too. I thought it was weird that he said you shouldnt use the ymca stuff! I read their Bob Jones and ABWE reports. Why do people keep supporting such places? They want to have heroes. Kanakuk developed its Child Protection Plan in 2009 after one of its directors, a man named Pete Newman, was arrested and charged with abusing multiple children he'd met at the camp and through its related ministries. There was something that felt off about it so I stopped going there. So he would sayyou could do things like sing a worship song while you're masturbating, or you could quote Scripture while masturbating, or you could just not think of women. While his family's home is locatedless than a mile from Kanakuk, he and his siblings never attended. Not everything labeled church is promoting the Truth. On top of that, it costs money to sue, and Im not even talking about attorneys fees. The proof is in the fruit. Most who take them on are paid to file or hoping for a keep quiet settlement of sorts to pay for their time. The connection is so deep, and that loyalty is so strong, that you'll essentially kind of do whatever to keep that relationship. The attempt to add these two corporate officers as additional defendants is not justified under the applicable law and would constitute needless duplication with respect to the plaintiffs allegations. I dont remember having seen any of this in the news at the time. It was a long time ago. And I do wonder how many of these people call themselves pro-life. Theres a difference between being anti-abortion and pro-life: you have to actually care for and about those who have been born *in addition to* those who havent. :o). ", Kanakukhas been granted a motion for an independent medical exam of John and plans to call on a medical professional who believes that the child does not suffer from "a major depressive disorder." Yes, by all means, sue the bastardz. Last I heard he converted to Catholism. Catholicism is often too far a journey to make for people not born into it, and believe me, Catholics are the first to understand how difficult it can be. -Newman bombarded the plaintiff, referred to as "John Doe, J. G." in the petition with phone calls and letters and engaged in phone sex with him. No wonder there are so many problems. He would bring me along to sporting events. How can you be a victim advocate and prevention for businesses (churches)? but I wonder what a person does when their take on the Scriptures differs from what leadership tells them it means? More than 20,000 kids age 7-18 attend each summer. Reading this makes me want to throw up!! Some eventually do make it all the way across the Tiber (my alley and some find a refuge in the beautiful eastern Orthodox Churches, which is REALLY a change for them coming into eastern Christian ways of seeing the faith of Our Lord . It is still hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that he is capable of the heinous acts that he committed, and would do that kind of damage to these boys. is a licensed attorney and a former chief sex crimes prosecutor. So it kind of depends on what the issue is which type of investigation is required. Kanakuk will forever grieve the victims of Pete Newman and their suffering and continue to pray for their healing and restoration. This camp, and its leaders, are clearly not following basic Christain principles, and we need to shout this from the highest mountaintop. Plain English. And since he's a guy, I mean, that's what he would say, like, 'We're just guys, we're not gay. I did not say anything remotely related to Mirele or MD and/or what she is doing in my original comment. (I have repented!) That curmudgeonly low paid lawyer who was representing poor victims all those years before the Boston Globe story deserves extra crowns in heaven. hence you get some fairly egregious abuse of women and children, and yes even men who might stand up and try to speak reason to power. All this presumes that leadership in a church cares a flying fig about the people in the pews. He is victim prevention. Luke 17:2 Props to Todd Wilhelm for joining you when he was visiting the U.S. again from the Middle East. Quite possibly. Gradually, they connected with others who identify as survivors. It read: The Lord is in his holy temple, let all the earth keep silent before Him. Yeah, Jesus did say that. In my own Church, this is indicated by a lampstand with a lit candle inside of red glass. . Do you get the feeling that keeping women out of power is WAY more important to these folks than protecting them or children? See, I never heard this dont trust your conscience thing until I started researching here. . If they are doing stupid things and then make excuses for not making wise decisions, they are of the false church, regardless of who or what they loudly proclaim. Righteous Mass Movements can do without a God, but HAVE to have a Devil. s. A while back, there was a male counselor who allowed his cabin of boys to horse around in the cabin while naked. Be still and know that I am God? . I mean, really, how dare they? Most judges throw them out. There is a part of the ritual which includes the prayer of confession and the pronouncement of absolution by the priest. There have been some problems with this in the business world as well. should be: Poor, poor judge Aaron Persky is now asking for money because his career is taking a hit. But why would authority in one thing lead you to allow somebody else authority who is so obviously a problem (like, just for example, men awaiting trial for abusing children)? Is that the town described in that one Simpsons episode as what Las Vegas would be like if it were run by Ned Flanders? No sympathy here. Good point. Ive been there many times. If we can weed out the predators, that is good. But Mohler did not start all this about soul competency as you can tell by what Lydia and I are saying-criticism of Mullins in not new apparently-or limited to calvinist thinking since my people were not calvinists. . People complain about lawyers taking a 35 to 40 percent fee if theres an award, but fail to remember that this includes all the costs of bringing the case and that can be a significant outlay of cash up front with no expectation of return. NOT THE MORMON! (Then Romney sewed up the nomination/became The Great White Hope and Franklin Graham gave him The Anointing, announcing that Mormons were no longer a Cult(TM) Bad craziness.). What? It is hard to believe we were fooled. The church oversaw several businesses run by members, including a building contractor. Because as you know, football scholarships are more important than a teenage girl. I could rant more, but I am just singing to choir with you all.. retaining a person on staff who is a child predator and actually has been arrested for that is bad PR! He also went onfather-son retreats with Newman. Dixie stampede is popular. The leadership, that knowingly invites the sick predators near children, has an even GREATER responsibility for what happens as a result. Thanks, OKRAPOD We are reverent in that place. Matthew 23:27 They are master deceivers. No amount of investigating will change the heart problem that is at the root of this! I dont see that as a problem per se. Give me an atheist junkyard dog lawyer at that point. Just to show how serious this is for victims, a friend sent me this link: https://world.wng.org/2016/05/sex_abuse_victim_euthanized_in_holland_after_struggling_with_depression, This view emphasizes that each person (soul) is individually and personally accountable to God and competent to relate to God without mediation through other humans or human institutions.. Any sensible person would want to protect an organization from liabilities. This imight be true. He says he wont sue the church, because he would find it uncomfortable to explain to Jesus how he took the churchs money and gave Him back 10%. I dont even think these powerful men ever think about the damage to the least of these.. We no longer go to church, but we are the Church, weve just found other, safer ways of meeting together that dont involve narcissistic/dangerous/abusive men and their vicious little fiefdoms. I suppose that is the effect that Mohlers Calvinism (TULIP) has on his thinking (Total Depravity) ??? I just bang my head against the wall. Elizabeth Easter wrote about this on her blog and in her book Girl at The End of The World. Please consider subscribing to support vital local journalism. I saw the Dixie stampede, loved it, but Im a horse person. Peter Newman was hired by Fellowship Memphis. And, you know, some of these kids go for a month. But I can easily see how stuff could happen and I guess stuff could have been going on I didnt see. "Super-fun guy, muscular, real big, sporty, athletic the guy that all kids wanted to be when they grew up.". At least as early as 1999, Defendant Joe T. White, Kanakuk Ministries and/or Kanakuk Heritage, Inc. knew that Newman, in the nude, was riding four-wheelers at the kamp with nude kampers who were minor children entrusted to the care of Defendants. Suing policy aside, I thought his information for churches was very good. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . https://wonderingeagle.wordpress.com/2016/08/31/sandy-willson-of-second-presbyterian-memphis-is-allegedly-notified-in-november-2011-that-a-sexual-predator-was-on-staff-at-downtown-presbyterian-church/#more-7415. Prayer Request: Former CLCer will be having eye surgery tomorrow in the D.C. area They know what people want to see. They were rich. The worst kind of SIN with very severely injured victims left in its wake. He can do what he wants. What were some of the allegedactivities? Almost as much as creating your own stained glass memorial and putting it on display while you are still in power. No More Victims, whose organizers have not been made public, recently issued an open letter to Kanakuk and its owner, White. Pete was what a Christian should look like. When they are above laws, we are done. However, it is because of Pete, that I have developed a worldview that acknowledges the power of sin and that no one is immune to the influence of the flesh. Without success, the News-Leader attempted to reach Staples for comment several times before publication of this report. Oh boy, do they listen! Its such a thick environment. I dont know how to fix it. I do know my brother literally cannot NOT manipulate. https://www.gofundme.com/pxs5dk. YOU REBEL AGAINST THE FATHER, TOO! I think that's something you can only understandif you've been groomed and been abused. We heard a few stories of payroll money going missing to buy new cars for the Apostle and his son. I, for one, am hoping things have changed. Newmanwas discoveredto beexhibiting sexually inappropriate behaviorin 1999. I just am not sure it trickles down to the members. He is not advocating for the victims in a church (his personal definition of what Church is, I might add) case. Back in the 1990s, I thought litigators working for Scientology were the absolute worst. What else do they not believe? Years before, when he was a child, Newman had "wanted me to come to a sleepover event," Dygert said. I can respect that. . But not "Christian" groups, they cover it up, ignore it and move on!! When we became aware of this situation we took . How many other knowledgeable people, besides Boz Tchividjian, are having an impact raising awareness about this problem in churches? 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